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Message started by moneymarketing on 18th Sep, 2017 at 7:16pm

Title: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 18th Sep, 2017 at 7:16pm
This is the discussion topic for Rotate4all. If you have any comments post them here and not in the downline builder

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Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am
I've just checked the site it seems well established but provides not much info..

Then read about it, in the downline builder, and I've got a few questions on it.

It's rather interesting because we could use extra earnings from our shares' credits. :)

Since I also read about the misunderstanding, I assume Dan and MM joined separately and not under each other but Dan was the one to bring the site up first?  :-/

Well, then I could probably join under Dan on this one..
Or maybe better, if Rui decides to use it, he can join under Dan and then I could follow Rui's line..

I already benefit MM on YGP and Rui is already benefiting me in FC, so if Rui could benefit Dan then I could benefit Rui so that we all get a share of benefits.  :idea

..Now on the site itself.. I couldn't figure out their standards for a "Valid" visit.. what does it mean? Since they accept repeated visitors what visits are considered invalid?

And regarding the daily limit of $0.16.. does that include referral earnings or just personal surfing.. or PTP earnings too?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:05am

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am:
I've just checked the site it seems well established but provides not much info..

Then read about it, in the downline builder, and I've got a few questions on it.

It's rather interesting because we could use extra earnings from our shares' credits. :)

Since I also read about the misunderstanding, I assume Dan and MM joined separately and not under each other but Dan was the one to bring the site up first?  :-/

Well, then I could probably join under Dan on this one..
Or maybe better, if Rui decides to use it, he can join under Dan and then I could follow Rui's line..

I already benefit MM on YGP and Rui is already benefiting me in FC, so if Rui could benefit Dan then I could benefit Rui so that we all get a share of benefits.  :idea

..Now on the site itself.. I couldn't figure out their standards for a "Valid" visit.. what does it mean? Since they accept repeated visitors what visits are considered invalid?

And regarding the daily limit of $0.16.. does that include referral earnings or just personal surfing.. or PTP earnings too?



I joined under Dan but I didn't think it was going anywhere. At first glance it didn't seem significant but I got good enough results that I felt it was worth the front page

Here are the terms. Minimum 4 second view

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/terms

They also have pretty good ad rates

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:31am

moneymarketing wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:05am:
I joined under Dan but I didn't think it was going anywhere. At first glance it didn't seem significant but I got good enough results that I felt it was worth the front page

Here are the terms. Minimum 4 second view

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/terms

They also have pretty good ad rates

It looks nice IMO.. I'm in..

Let's see what Rui will say about it. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:37am

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:31am:
It looks nice IMO.. I'm in..

Let's see what Rui will say about it. :)


So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:32pm

moneymarketing wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:37am:
So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

Why would he be mad at you if you're in his downline?  :-?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:42pm

moneymarketing wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:37am:
So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

I know you meant well. But I actually think you're making the issue a little bigger than it has to be. JMHO.

Alright. Next time I find a new program to my liking, I'll try to abide by this rule.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:45pm

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 1:32pm:
Why would he be mad at you if you're in his downline?  :-?

It's only one referral level anyway. Indirectly I'm glad if my downline gets a stronger downline, cause I get to benefit from it anyway. Even my original thought was "I wouldn't want to take SS or rui away from mm's downline".

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 19th Sep, 2017 at 2:45pm
Seems an okay site. 0.24 per 1000 hits is nothing noteworthy (In Donkeymails is higher), but if the unique view is independent of the country tier it's a good deal. Now the question if how well it works in terms of hits delivered vs hits sent. Cashnhits was really good at that, and I've yet to see another site where PTP worked so well. Let's see how this one fares.

So, who do I have to join under? Dan, MM, Snake or your cat? I'm kinda lost on all this downline thing now  ;D

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Sep, 2017 at 3:16pm

ruicarlov wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 2:45pm:
So, who do I have to join under? Dan, MM, Snake or your cat? I'm kinda lost on all this downline thing now  ;D

If Snake joined under MM, then you can join under Snake. Although let him verify it first to make sure.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Sep, 2017 at 3:19pm

ruicarlov wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 2:45pm:
Seems an okay site. 0.24 per 1000 hits is nothing noteworthy (In Donkeymails is higher), but if the unique view is independent of the country tier it's a good deal. Now the question if how well it works in terms of hits delivered vs hits sent.

One thing you can do is promote Rotate4All in programs that does not accept Donkeymails. FamilyClix is a good example. They even also pay about $0.05 per 200 hits to the Rotate4all's PTP link which seems to be the best rate I've come across thus far.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Sep, 2017 at 3:46pm

dansbanners wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 3:16pm:
If Snake joined under MM, then you can join under Snake. Although let him verify it first to make sure.
I haven't joined yet..

I'd like to join under Rui on this one.. so one of you gets him instead.

He's a better deal than me anyways, with better advertising [super]power.. ;)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 19th Sep, 2017 at 6:03pm

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 3:46pm:
I haven't joined yet..

I'd like to join under Rui on this one.. so one of you gets him instead.

He's a better deal than me anyways, with better advertising [super]power.. ;)


Rui is there under me.

You can find the referral link like ours in the referral section. You need to trim it out of the banner code. I assume your PTP page will work though

Thanks for joining  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 20th Sep, 2017 at 9:32am

moneymarketing wrote on 19th Sep, 2017 at 6:03pm:
Rui is there under me.

You can find the referral link like ours in the referral section. You need to trim it out of the banner code. I assume your PTP page will work though

Thanks for joining  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I got in under Rui. :)

The first test I ran was a simple surfing session.
I used my secondary display for it, so I did it while working on my main one on sth else.

I surfed a total of 40 sites and received $0.0064 in my balance which means I get $0.00016 per site surfed just like mentioned in the dashboard.

Their captchas are relatively easy to complete while surfing, except for the first two times that use Google re-Captcha probably for increased security when starting a session.

I will probably run some PTC tests on YGP and FC to see if they deliver actual valid hits.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 20th Sep, 2017 at 4:21pm

SolidSnake wrote on 20th Sep, 2017 at 9:32am:
I will probably run some PTC tests on YGP and FC to see if they deliver actual valid hits.

I suggest that you do a separate test run. Try it on FC first and check the stats. Then try it on YGP. And that assigning just 200 PTC credits each should be enough for the test run.

My experience tells me that it pays about $0.05 per 200 clicks in FC but only about $0.01 to $0.02 per 200 in YGP.   

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 20th Sep, 2017 at 5:55pm
Right now I'm trying in mfs, using some of my free advertising. I'll see how it goes

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 21st Sep, 2017 at 5:24pm
So far MFS has delivered 37 clicks. On rotate4all I get 31 hits, 23 unique and 8 invalid.

But there appears to be some bug in my stats page, since it shows 0$ earned. Furthermore, it also shows referral earnings as $0. But my balance has been increasing and in the downline page I can see that snake has earned me something by website surfing.

Is it showing correctly for any of you?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Sep, 2017 at 6:29pm

ruicarlov wrote on 21st Sep, 2017 at 5:24pm:
So far MFS has delivered 37 clicks. On rotate4all I get 31 hits, 23 unique and 8 invalid.

But there appears to be some bug in my stats page, since it shows 0$ earned. Furthermore, it also shows referral earnings as $0. But my balance has been increasing and in the downline page I can see that snake has earned me something by website surfing.

Is it showing correctly for any of you?


I'm seeing  $0.001488 for you

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 21st Sep, 2017 at 6:37pm

moneymarketing wrote on 21st Sep, 2017 at 6:29pm:
I'm seeing  $0.001488 for you


In the "statistics" tab or "my referrals" tab?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Sep, 2017 at 7:53pm

ruicarlov wrote on 21st Sep, 2017 at 6:37pm:
In the "statistics" tab or "my referrals" tab?


In my referrals. I don't think it will show on the stats page until it is .01 cents and higher. I think it is rounded to two decimals. Probably for cash out sake

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Sep, 2017 at 11:26pm
Here are my stats. I joined 9 days ago



The only thing that bothers me is that I had 2 referrals on 200 hits, Rui's sign up and zero referrals on the other hits

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 3:55am
My familyclix's stats for the past week is 651 valid and 86 invalid, 651 / 737 = 88% valid

And mm's is 1,920 / 2,095 = 92% valid

MM, how many clicks are you assigning to your rotate4all link on a daily basis in Familyclix? I'm assigning about 200 per day.

I've also earned $0.15 from mm thus far. Thanks! 8-) 

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 6:31am

dansbanners wrote on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 3:55am:
My familyclix's stats for the past week is 651 valid and 86 invalid, 651 / 737 = 88% valid

And mm's is 1,920 / 2,095 = 92% valid

MM, how many clicks are you assigning to your rotate4all link on a daily basis in Familyclix? I'm assigning about 200 per day.

I've also earned $0.15 from mm thus far. Thanks! 8-) 


500pd

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 10:34am
I've started a 2000 PTC campaign on YGP, so we'll see how it goes.

To my surprise the 10 second option was at the same price as the 5 second one.. so I picked that one instead.

Maybe this will help with more visits being marked as valid.

I also selected a bunch of the highest tier countries in the list to see if that helps too.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 1:37pm

SolidSnake wrote on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 10:34am:
I also selected a bunch of the highest tier countries in the list to see if that helps too.

Does it cost more per click to select only certain countries? And how to know in advance which ones are higher tiered countries, etc? 

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 2:43pm

dansbanners wrote on 22nd Sep, 2017 at 1:37pm:
Does it cost more per click to select only certain countries? And how to know in advance which ones are higher tiered countries, etc? 

No, the country filter is free on both YGP and FC. When setting up a new PTC ad you can pick which countries you would like to be able to display your ad to.

As for the which ones are higher tiered, I don't think it plays a part in r4a PTP earnings, but still I like to think that people from these countries are less likely to try to cheat the system somehow, plus they are good potential referrals as well.

Don't forget that the "Register" link is still displayed at the top of the PTP frame and it does work as our referral link, so some of the traffic we drive to it may generate us referrals for r4a as well (apart from PTP earnings).

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 24th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am
Anyone here planning to purchase some advertising in Rotate4All?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 24th Sep, 2017 at 12:14am

dansbanners wrote on 24th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am:
Anyone here planning to purchase some advertising in Rotate4All?


I'm not, why do you ask?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 24th Sep, 2017 at 3:40am
So, we could get some ideas or stats if someone is either planning to purchase some advertising or already has.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 24th Sep, 2017 at 3:50pm

dansbanners wrote on 24th Sep, 2017 at 3:40am:
So, we could get some ideas or stats if someone is either planning to purchase some advertising or already has.


Oh, yes, that would be a good idea. Their advertising is relatively cheap and would be good for the PTC crowd

I may roll some of my earnings there into advertising. I'm already up to 1.17 so it shouldn't be long

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 24th Sep, 2017 at 9:52pm

moneymarketing wrote on 24th Sep, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Oh, yes, that would be a good idea. Their advertising is relatively cheap and would be good for the PTC crowd

I may roll some of my earnings there into advertising. I'm already up to 1.17 so it shouldn't be long


I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 24th Sep, 2017 at 11:53pm

moneymarketing wrote on 24th Sep, 2017 at 9:52pm:
I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify


A nice bonus is that your link is placed on the rotator's links page

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 25th Sep, 2017 at 12:53am
Alright so my  YGP campaign ended with the following stats:



Somehow, less than half the traffic YGP claims to have sent its way have actually reached the destination site.
A lot can play a part on it.. adblockers, slow connections etc.

Also I'm getting a larger amount of invalid clicks, maybe the reason is that people in more advanced countries tend to use mobile devices more than actual computers..   :dontknow

The good part of it is that I also got 2 referrals out of which one did actually earn me something.
I'm running a banner advertising campaign using their banners on BoB and TrafficG.

TrafficG delivered 11 clicks out of 100,000 impressions.
BoB delivered no clicks out of  23,900 impressions so far (the campaign ends at 100,000).

I'll keep you up to date with it.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 25th Sep, 2017 at 3:21am
SS,

Have you tried it in FamilyClix yet? My experience tells me that you'll probably get better stats in there.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 25th Sep, 2017 at 9:00am
I just asked and you can use the rotator with the wordlinx ad bar  :cool1

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 25th Sep, 2017 at 9:37am

dansbanners wrote on 25th Sep, 2017 at 3:21am:
SS,

Have you tried it in FamilyClix yet? My experience tells me that you'll probably get better stats in there.

I'll try on tomorrow for another 2000, just to distinguish the results from each one easier.

Maybe I will also try a second run on each.. just to test the results with all countries on.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 26th Sep, 2017 at 7:14pm

moneymarketing wrote on 24th Sep, 2017 at 9:52pm:
I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify



After two days my hits are this:

37,836

CS registers this as unique and total:

30,227      34,897      

The sad part is sign ups are this

1  :-[

I think CS is done

The rotator produces a nice number of hits for the price but other things need to be tested if they are to be considered an effective advertising option. For now, they go on the back burner

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 27th Sep, 2017 at 12:29am
At least you gave it a try. And thanks for sharing the stats.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 27th Sep, 2017 at 7:07pm

dansbanners wrote on 27th Sep, 2017 at 12:29am:
At least you gave it a try. And thanks for sharing the stats.


With 3 hours to go I'm at 56K hits and three sign ups. That's a little weak from the sign up perspective

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Sep, 2017 at 11:36am

moneymarketing wrote on 27th Sep, 2017 at 7:07pm:
With 3 hours to go I'm at 56K hits and three sign ups. That's a little weak from the sign up perspective

Well, if you use the promote page the focus goes to the site being advertised below.. not that much on the top frame where our link exists.
It's not like targeting our actual referral link, that provides interesting info for R4A itself and displays them on the same page load.

Btw, one of my referrals is proving to be a good one..  :cool1
He has driven more than 3000 hits to his PTP page already.

I've noticed that we are able to see direct details on our referrals' activity including the sources of their traffic, valid/invalid hits etc.
And we also get their email, so there is probability for getting in touch with them.. That's powerful for team work! :)

I already feel great about R4A. Good find! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Sep, 2017 at 3:12pm
So, my FamilyClix campaign has ended with the following stats:



With a 2000 campaign FC sent a total of 1805 valid clicks and 100 invalid with very few of those non-unique.
That's double the traffic YGP sent me.. YGP must be doing something wrong there..

With a simple calculation based on my stats and earnings I get an average of $0.000235 per hit.
With further calculations I get a return of ~$0.047 per $5 spent on shares just by using up the bonus PTC advertising.

That's an additional 9.4% ROI from the amount invested in shares. :D
Now if you add up the bonus from your referrals... ;)

I think we've got ourselves another gem here guys..  :money

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 28th Sep, 2017 at 3:18pm
Glad to hear that you're liking the program SS! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Your stats does seem to be in line with that we seem to get paid about $0.05 per 200 clicks in FamilyClix. 8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Sep, 2017 at 4:23pm
Meanwhile I initiated a larger scale campaign with 75000 PTCs stacked up at FC. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 28th Sep, 2017 at 6:01pm

SolidSnake wrote on 28th Sep, 2017 at 3:12pm:
So, my FamilyClix campaign has ended with the following stats:



With a 2000 campaign FC sent a total of 1805 valid clicks and 100 invalid with very few of those non-unique.
That's double the traffic YGP sent me.. YGP must be doing something wrong there..

With a simple calculation based on my stats and earnings I get an average of $0.000235 per hit.
With further calculations I get a return of ~$0.047 per $5 spent on shares just by using up the bonus PTC advertising.

That's an additional 9.4% ROI from the amount invested in shares. :D
Now if you add up the bonus from your referrals... ;)

I think we've got ourselves another gem here guys..  :money


I notice the PTP page is showing up in the FC page rotation. Does anyone know if you got the FC admin as a referral? That would be cool  8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 28th Sep, 2017 at 6:04pm
Rui,

As I suspected, once my referral earnings went over the 1 cent mark it showed up on the main page stats

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 30th Sep, 2017 at 5:05pm

moneymarketing wrote on 28th Sep, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Rui,

As I suspected, once my referral earnings went over the 1 cent mark it showed up on the main page stats

Yep, I can second that..

However now that I've just checked my referral, I noticed he's now inactive for using autosurfs..  [smiley=sad.gif]

And I lost the $0.01 he earned me.. Why don't people just stick to the rules?

(I remembered this movie scene now..  ;D )



Anyways.. let's hope the next ones will be better..  :dontknow

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 30th Sep, 2017 at 6:20pm
My invalids just exploded upwards. I was thinking that the scam was up. I always ask Dan about sites when we are talking behind the scenes. One of the questions I want to know is if the site is suddenly going to start having magical 'problems' when our group starts throwing mass amounts of hits. We have seen that in the past

So this is what I see when I check in



:o

What? Where is all this red from? I check the stats and sure enough, something 'changed'




Fortunately it wasn't the original sites I was promoting on but that I decided to cloak them in the wordlix header. I got permission from the R4A admin to use it but apparently this will kill your registered hits. I'll stick with it though because I think the synergy of the R4A and WL sites will work out better overall. Plus they are bonus hits anyway for the most part

Just know that if you use R4A in WL, your hit percentage may drop


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 10th Oct, 2017 at 9:24pm
My mfs campaing finished a while ago sending 1000 clicks (yes, it is slow), and I got 800 valid visits and $0.19 earned. Not bad, although not quick.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 10th Oct, 2017 at 11:43pm

ruicarlov wrote on 10th Oct, 2017 at 9:24pm:
My mfs campaing finished a while ago sending 1000 clicks (yes, it is slow), and I got 800 valid visits and $0.19 earned. Not bad, although not quick.

Are you limiting the 1000 clicks to just upgraded members? Cause I find my 1000 clicks to go very quickly from my end?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 11th Oct, 2017 at 12:08pm

dansbanners wrote on 10th Oct, 2017 at 11:43pm:
Are you limiting the 1000 clicks to just upgraded members? Cause I find my 1000 clicks to go very quickly from my end?


I don't even have the option to choose upgraded members..

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 13th Oct, 2017 at 3:46pm

ruicarlov wrote on 11th Oct, 2017 at 12:08pm:
I don't even have the option to choose upgraded members..

I'm still trying to figure out why it's taking that long for you to use up the 1,000 clicks in your MyFreeShares PTC order while it doesn't for me.

For instance, I usually get the 1,000 clicks from the following ad:

- Monthly 1,000 PTC visitors 0.25 cent for all members (i.e. Silver Upgrade)

- 1,000 Unique PTC visitors 0.1 cent 15 sec timer :: 20 points

And the 1,000 clicks is usually used up in just a day or so.

The only 1,000 clicks that's taking longer is the monthly ad that is limited just to the upgraded members.

And you? What's your order?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Oct, 2017 at 2:22am
Just got paid for the 2nd time, this time through Payza.

Here's a comparison of the 2 payments from the two different pay processors:

Paypal: $2.04 - $0.39 fee = $1.65 net

Payza: $2.17 - $0.67 fee = $1.50 net

Apparently the fees are lower in Paypal.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Oct, 2017 at 2:34am

dansbanners wrote on 19th Oct, 2017 at 2:22am:
Just got paid for the 2nd time, this time through Payza.

Here's a comparison of the 2 payments from the two different pay processors:

Paypal: $2.04 - $0.39 fee = $1.65 net

Payza: $2.17 - $0.67 fee = $1.50 net

Apparently the fees are lower in Paypal.

Good job!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I had forgotten that the site also pays in PayPal. :)

Good to know!

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Oct, 2017 at 3:38am

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Oct, 2017 at 2:34am:
Good job!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I had forgotten that the site also pays in PayPal. :)

Good to know!

Thanks. That's why I also posted it in here. For informational purposes. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Oct, 2017 at 3:59am

dansbanners wrote on 19th Oct, 2017 at 3:38am:
Thanks. That's why I also posted it in here. For informational purposes. :)
And that's exactly why I didn't move it to the payment proofs section..  [smiley=lolx.gif]
Big minds think alike!  ;D

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 25th Oct, 2017 at 3:01pm
It seems that all of the clicks from mobile devices in both familyclix and yougetprofit count as "100% PTP Invalids".

Is there a way we could have control over that?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 25th Oct, 2017 at 6:33pm

dansbanners wrote on 25th Oct, 2017 at 3:01pm:
It seems that all of the clicks from mobile devices in both familyclix and yougetprofit count as "100% PTP Invalids".

Is there a way we could have control over that?

I'm afraid not.. and with so many people switching to mobile devices for their regular browsing I'm also afraid the invalids will keep on climbing.. thankfully they're not the majority of the traffic.

Btw, my balance has finally crossed $10 and there's another 36000 PTCs for my FC campaign to end.

I'm not getting any referrals from PTP hits though..

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 12th Jan, 2018 at 6:00am
So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-)


(The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif])

But also on the informative side here are some interesting statistics:

FamilyClix provides ~3700 unique visitors and ~300 returning ones, daily with a fixed ad and a FamilyGrid ad at the same time.

And ~4000 unique PTP hits translate to ~$1 in our balance. Non-unique are half the value so I was just close to it.

I used my earnings to purchase advertising because basically I could not withdraw it otherwise, so it was a good time to also test how much traffic they can provide, and R4A was the best shot at both tracking it and benefiting from it at the same time.


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 12th Jan, 2018 at 8:08pm

SolidSnake wrote on 12th Jan, 2018 at 6:00am:
So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-)


(The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif])

But also on the informative side here are some interesting statistics:

FamilyClix provides ~3700 unique visitors and ~300 returning ones, daily with a fixed ad and a FamilyGrid ad at the same time.

And ~4000 unique PTP hits translate to ~$1 in our balance. Non-unique are half the value so I was just close to it.

I used my earnings to purchase advertising because basically I could not withdraw it otherwise, so it was a good time to also test how much traffic they can provide, and R4A was the best shot at both tracking it and benefiting from it at the same time.



It's good they can generate extra cash flow. If I wasn't using practically every hit I get for the co-op, I'd probably use r4a more. Recently they paid me btw



Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 12th Jan, 2018 at 9:46pm

SolidSnake wrote on 12th Jan, 2018 at 6:00am:
So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-)


(The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif])

Congrats on making the promoters' list SS! 8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 12th Jan, 2018 at 9:47pm

moneymarketing wrote on 12th Jan, 2018 at 8:08pm:
It's good they can generate extra cash flow. If I wasn't using practically every hit I get for the co-op, I'd probably use r4a more. Recently they paid me btw


Congrats on the payment MM! 8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 15th Jan, 2018 at 10:11am
I finally got a good referral for R4A and he came through the FamilyClix fixed ad.

Seems like my "Convert PTC Credits to CASH!" message finally touched someone with accumulated PTC credits from shares, or a big stuck balance there. Either way it's nice!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 15th Jan, 2018 at 1:50pm

SolidSnake wrote on 15th Jan, 2018 at 10:11am:
I finally got a good referral for R4A and he came through the FamilyClix fixed ad.

Seems like my "Convert PTC Credits to CASH!" message finally touched someone with accumulated PTC credits from shares, or a big stuck balance there. Either way it's nice!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Good for you SS! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 1st Feb, 2018 at 6:41pm
Another cheater was caught.. and another $0.552056 was deducted from my balance..  :beatup

I feel like a bad referral magnet sometimes..  [smiley=sad.gif]

Anyways.. I'm waiting for my second payment from R4A so I will update you with my proofs.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by ruicarlov on 2nd Feb, 2018 at 11:34am

SolidSnake wrote on 1st Feb, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Another cheater was caught.. and another $0.552056 was deducted from my balance..  :beatup

I feel like a bad referral magnet sometimes..  [smiley=sad.gif]


Call me back when you get $2000 deducted from your balance from a cheater referral. Then we'll talk  ;)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 2nd Feb, 2018 at 12:50pm

ruicarlov wrote on 2nd Feb, 2018 at 11:34am:
Call me back when you get $2000 deducted from your balance from a cheater referral. Then we'll talk  ;)

True.. that's some high score.  ;D

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 19th Feb, 2018 at 5:43pm
So I'm testing banners for R4A at YGP.

I get 2 referrals in my first 6000 impressions. 1 in 3000, not a bad ratio I'm thinking. I could do some serious promoting after testing this in bigger groupings

I now have 18000 more impressions for a total of 24000 impressions with no new referrals in the entire 18000. Really?  :-?

If my referral rate gets any lower they will have to change their name to buckets of banners  :-/

And why should I promote these guys?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 20th Feb, 2018 at 5:55pm

moneymarketing wrote on 19th Feb, 2018 at 5:43pm:
So I'm testing banners for R4A at YGP.

I get 2 referrals in my first 6000 impressions. 1 in 3000, not a bad ratio I'm thinking. I could do some serious promoting after testing this in bigger groupings

I now have 18000 more impressions for a total of 24000 impressions with no new referrals in the entire 18000. Really?  :-?

If my referral rate gets any lower they will have to change their name to buckets of banners  :-/

And why should I promote these guys?


[smiley=lolx.gif]

24,000 impressions now without a referral

Obviously 5 levels of referring income is a threat to their income model

[smiley=sad.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 20th Feb, 2018 at 11:40pm

moneymarketing wrote on 20th Feb, 2018 at 5:55pm:
[smiley=lolx.gif]

24,000 impressions now without a referral

Obviously 5 levels of referring income is a threat to their income model

[smiley=sad.gif]

Getting referrals through banner impressions are not that easy to come by. IMHO.

That's why I tend to promote BoB in some of the programs. Cause I'm at least earning impressions with it. Then promote programs whereas I get to benefit from each click with anyway in BoB.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 20th Feb, 2018 at 11:44pm
If you really want to make a good use of R4All, I suggest you just focus on earning from the PTC's and then if you also get some referrals in the process, it's a bonus.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 20th Feb, 2018 at 11:55pm
It's kind of a hard program to promote.. I think because it's different from what the average PTC user has seen..

Maybe they don't easily get the concept and just pass it when they see it...

One must think like a publisher to find it interesting.. other than that we need to guide them more thoroughly how they can use their free credits from shares with it, in order to make profit.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Feb, 2018 at 7:34am

SolidSnake wrote on 20th Feb, 2018 at 11:55pm:
It's kind of a hard program to promote.. I think because it's different from what the average PTC user has seen..

Maybe they don't easily get the concept and just pass it when they see it...

One must think like a publisher to find it interesting.. other than that we need to guide them more thoroughly how they can use their free credits from shares with it, in order to make profit.


Even donkey mails gets better results than that and it is a much older program

The problem is that he is doing this to the people who get how referring works. Thus he is strangling his own program assuming I am right about what is going on

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Feb, 2018 at 6:05pm
up to 36000 now and still nothing so I have deleted the banners. IF I am right about this then he has just shot himself in the foot

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 21st Feb, 2018 at 10:16pm
I read again what you said regarding the "5 levels of referring income"..

From what I get it's not exactly "referring" levels.. We only have 1 referral level of downline.

Based on what they say I think levels basically mean repeated visits to our paid to promote page..

Each level shows how much we earn when the same person (IP based) visits our PTP page per 24 hours..

The first time one visits our PTP page we earn $0.000240 and it's called a unique visit.

The second time the same guy visits our PTP page it's no longer a unique visit and counts as a level 1 non-unique visit earning us $0.000120.

Each next visit from the same person drops its value by one level and earns us half the previous amount.

As for the actual promoting, I've also never had great results using their banners either even with hundreds of thousands of banner views.

However using my referral link (not PTP link) in PTC advertising, did actually get me somewhere.. but this way we miss on PTP earnings, so it's up to you to decide what's the most profitable use for your PTC credits.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 21st Feb, 2018 at 11:38pm

SolidSnake wrote on 21st Feb, 2018 at 10:16pm:
I read again what you said regarding the "5 levels of referring income"..

From what I get it's not exactly "referring" levels.. We only have 1 referral level of downline.

Based on what they say I think levels basically mean repeated visits to our paid to promote page..

Each level shows how much we earn when the same person (IP based) visits our PTP page per 24 hours..

The first time one visits our PTP page we earn $0.000240 and it's called a unique visit.

The second time the same guy visits our PTP page it's no longer a unique visit and counts as a level 1 non-unique visit earning us $0.000120.

Each next visit from the same person drops its value by one level and earns us half the previous amount.

As for the actual promoting, I've also never had great results using their banners either even with hundreds of thousands of banner views.

However using my referral link (not PTP link) in PTC advertising, did actually get me somewhere.. but this way we miss on PTP earnings, so it's up to you to decide what's the most profitable use for your PTC credits.


I see where I interpreted that wrong. That said, the reason I'm angry about the banners is that I have a lot of PTC banner clicks due to the ad packs. I had hoped they would be a nice addition to the banner marketing I'm already doing there. I don't have many PTC views to spare anywhere so that doesn't have a lot of value for me.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 22nd Feb, 2018 at 5:05pm

moneymarketing wrote on 21st Feb, 2018 at 11:38pm:
I don't have many PTC views to spare anywhere so that doesn't have a lot of value for me.

I currently have 373,104 ad credits. :-?

Maybe you use too many credits all at once. And ought to set some max clicks?

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 22nd Feb, 2018 at 7:08pm

dansbanners wrote on 22nd Feb, 2018 at 5:05pm:
I currently have 373,104 ad credits. :-?

Maybe you use too many credits all at once. And ought to set some max clicks?


I do set maximum clicks but I also have a rotator to run. That said, I don't have many to spare but I also have 80,000 allocated to the rotator. It is about keeping paidverts in people's eyes constantly. That has resulted in 200k views and 29000 outside clicks which is a good number for voluntary clicks

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 13th Mar, 2018 at 11:00am
It seems they've increased the earnings per visit a bit and they've also increased the amount of non-unique visits to our link that get paid to 12! :o



That's not bad and could attract people using manual traffic exchanges! :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 13th Mar, 2018 at 5:07pm
That's good to know. One good thing about R4A is that you get paid in a direct sense from promoting their links.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 14th Mar, 2018 at 12:26pm
Another interesting thing about R4A is a hidden advantage when working on it on a chain.

Here it is:

When promoting our link we get paid 100% based on the table posted above and our upline earns 20% of that.

However when promoting in more than 1 programs that are closely affiliated with each other there may be a lot of members that are actually on both generating more non-unique hits than unique.. etc. sites from Zigma network, or Family network.

Most people active on Twickerz are also active on Goldenclix, Silverclix and YouGetProfit.
Most people active on FamilyClix are also active on FamilyBTC.

So, by advertising on each site of those on the same day may cause half or more of the hits to be identified as non-unique earning us 100% of the first but 50% or less of all the following ones. Out of 50% our upline earns 20% of that, so that's only 10% earnings of the actual traffic delivered to the site.

This way.. as a team the earning potential of unique hits is 120% while the earning potential of non-unique is only 60% or 30% or even less if the traffic comes from people active on more sites of the same network.

So, Rui tested the following.. when using PTC credits stacked up on the larger site of a network he advertises his PTP link, then advertises my link on another one.. so instead of taking 50% of the earnings by non-unique hits he just get 20% as referral earnings but granted me a full 100% on those.. which when I spend based on our synergy of sites, benefit him on other sites where he is my upline.

This works with well with me too.. since when advertising on PV I like to split my advertising to multiple campaigns in order to qualify for the APS achievements so I use one for my own PTP link, one for his PTP link and if I need to run more at once I could use MM's or Dan's. Same goes for FamilyClix/FamilyBTC. This way I benefit both Rui and his upline and we get the most out of our traffic driven to the site as a team.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 14th Mar, 2018 at 10:30pm
Another thing, is that if you run an ad campaign and either no one or very few join, at least you still get to benefit from each click promoting R4A.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 29th Mar, 2018 at 10:29pm
Just got paid $5.10! 8-)


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 3:46pm
Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those..

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic

Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 5:32pm

SolidSnake wrote on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 3:46pm:
Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those..

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic

Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)

I see FamilyClix listed in there with a very good ratio. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 9:20pm

SolidSnake wrote on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 3:46pm:
Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those..

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic

Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)



He lives! I thought you were arrested for bitcoin crimes against your country or something  ;D

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 4th Apr, 2018 at 12:17am

moneymarketing wrote on 3rd Apr, 2018 at 9:20pm:
He lives! I thought you were arrested for bitcoin crimes against your country or something  ;D

Lol.. no I'm still out and alive.. almost.. :D

Faced a bunch of health issues here and there, but ok nothing serious..

It's just 30s+ kicking me back, but I'm a survivor..  :beatup

Tomorrow I'm having a "wisdom" tooth removed, so I'm on painkillers today.

I missed some clicking days but at least I still read the news. ;)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 14th Apr, 2018 at 8:19pm
Now that I'm backing off from promoting the co-op I can start to focus on r4a again. So my first promotions will be in fbtc where I am starting to generate a lot of credits due to all the packs I am able to buy daily

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 15th Apr, 2018 at 3:15pm

moneymarketing wrote on 14th Apr, 2018 at 8:19pm:
Now that I'm backing off from promoting the co-op I can start to focus on r4a again. So my first promotions will be in fbtc where I am starting to generate a lot of credits due to all the packs I am able to buy daily

As I said before, I'm getting a very good PTP ratio promoting R4A in FC, probably the best of all programs.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 15th Apr, 2018 at 9:15pm

dansbanners wrote on 15th Apr, 2018 at 3:15pm:
As I said before, I'm getting a very good PTP ratio promoting R4A in FC, probably the best of all programs.


It's pretty good in fbtc so far


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 15th Apr, 2018 at 10:19pm
...and the reason I'm not promoting it in FC anymore is because they don't sell the ad packs, so I would have to spend actual money on the advertising. That would be a guaranteed loss. At least with the FBTC ads, they are free so it's money on top

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 16th Apr, 2018 at 1:14pm

moneymarketing wrote on 15th Apr, 2018 at 10:19pm:
...and the reason I'm not promoting it in FC anymore is because they don't sell the ad packs, so I would have to spend actual money on the advertising. That would be a guaranteed loss. At least with the FBTC ads, they are free so it's money on top

Don't you have any ad packs left in FC? I still have about an 100.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 16th Apr, 2018 at 7:49pm

dansbanners wrote on 16th Apr, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Don't you have any ad packs left in FC? I still have about an 100.


I do but the advertising received from them is gone

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 17th May, 2018 at 9:26pm
Rotate4All just made some changes to their banners for the better. Good to see them being proactive.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 18th May, 2018 at 3:30pm

dansbanners wrote on 17th May, 2018 at 9:26pm:
Rotate4All just made some changes to their banners for the better. Good to see them being proactive.

It's good to always move forward and get better!

I'll definitely use them!  [smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 28th May, 2018 at 10:13am
Another cool promo from R4A.. :)


Quote:
LIMITED! Weekly contest prizes TRIPLED!

We decided to significantly raise the stakes for this week and run a promo on our Weekly Contests by TRIPLING the prizes in both our PTP and SURF modules for the current week.
The promo starts Monday (May 28th) and lasts until Sunday midnight (June 3rd).
Depending on the amount of traffic we receive, there may also be some additional prizes credited. Also based on the results we may also extend this promo for another week.
Not sure where to promote to get the best results? Check out our Top Traffic page which includes a detailed overview where others were promoting during the past weeks.

It's all up to you. So don't miss out! Now's the time to Promote your link even more or SURF our ads.


https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=15

They're getting more active over time the slow and steady way! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 28th May, 2018 at 1:49pm

SolidSnake wrote on 28th May, 2018 at 10:13am:
Another cool promo from R4A.. :)

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=15

They're getting more active over time the slow and steady way! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 13th Jun, 2018 at 6:04pm
Once again some great news from R4A!


Quote:
Tablets are now allowed!

Due to popular demand we have implemented a system to better filter Mobile traffic and thus we are now able to validate (and pay for) part of that, specifically traffic coming from Mobile Tablets.
Starting from Today, we will no longer exclude traffic coming from Mobile Tablets in our PTP module, however the device resolution & screen/frame size requirement still applies, as per our terms. This also applies to our SURF module as well.

All sections on our website including the terms, have now been amended and the term "Mobile devices" has been changed to "Mobile phones" which for the time being will still be excluded.

We are aware that more & more people are using their phones to navigate online and for that purpose we're already working on a solution to better analyze this type of traffic. The ultimate goal here is to include all mobile traffic eventually but we still need more time to implement a proper system in order to prevent potential fraud.

Stay tuned. The best things are yet to come!

So, mobile phones may be coming soon!
That would greatly boost our earnings!

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 14th Jun, 2018 at 10:52pm
Every little bit helps and counts! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 14th Aug, 2018 at 12:38am
I'm getting a "Whoops. Incorrect captcha." error when trying to log in.. anyone else facing the same issue?

It's Google's re-Captcha service and all I get is a clickable checkbox, so I click it, I get the success tick, but still that error pops up..

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 16th Aug, 2018 at 2:08am

SolidSnake wrote on 14th Aug, 2018 at 12:38am:
I'm getting a "Whoops. Incorrect captcha." error when trying to log in.. anyone else facing the same issue?

It's Google's re-Captcha service and all I get is a clickable checkbox, so I click it, I get the success tick, but still that error pops up..

I got logged in normally today so the problem may have been temporary.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 23rd Aug, 2018 at 4:45pm
More good news from Rotate4All:


Quote:
EV SSL certificate acquired, further updates

While we were using a standard SSL certificate on our site for a long time now (since 2014) we felt that we should add another layer of trust to our company's name, so we have submitted our paperwork and applied for an EV SSL certificate from Comodo.
After a lengthy verification process we finally got approved and got issued a new EV SSL certificate for our domain, as shown in your browser's address bar:


So what does this mean for our users? Well first of all, it shows that we mean business and we're here to stay as the services we provide are backed by a real company (RFA ADVERT SRL). Second, your information on this website is as safe as possible, as we always take necessary measures to protect our users' data.

Regarding our PTP module, we're in the final testing phase of accepting traffic from mobile phones, which will drastically reduce the amount of visits marked as invalid. A separate announcement will be made once everything has been properly tested and implemented.
Regarding our SURF module, we are working on a feature to further increase the appeal of this module as well.

Last but not least, there are many ideas floating around in order to improve our services. One of which may just see the light of day is a feature we would call "Get Paid To Socialize". More on that soon.

Posted by: Ivan Levente -- Rotate4all Admin Posted on: 2018-08-21 11:57:18

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 24th Aug, 2018 at 2:06pm
That's good to know! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 31st Aug, 2018 at 8:55pm
I got two referrals. So maybe someone pointed out they weren't getting any and they found some sort of glitch. I hope this is the case but this encourages me to try more shows

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 1st Sep, 2018 at 8:11pm

moneymarketing wrote on 31st Aug, 2018 at 8:55pm:
I got two referrals. So maybe someone pointed out they weren't getting any and they found some sort of glitch. I hope this is the case but this encourages me to try more shows

That's good to know. And you're also getting paid to promote them to begin with.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 2nd Sep, 2018 at 8:06am

dansbanners wrote on 1st Sep, 2018 at 8:11pm:
That's good to know. And you're also getting paid to promote them to begin with.


Yes. My total payout - mainly due to Rui's work - is $28.62

[smiley=12-party.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 2nd Sep, 2018 at 1:22pm

moneymarketing wrote on 2nd Sep, 2018 at 8:06am:
Yes. My total payout - mainly due to Rui's work - is $28.62

[smiley=12-party.gif]

Great! I also have 8 referrals. So I've been getting them all along. 8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 3rd Sep, 2018 at 12:44am

dansbanners wrote on 2nd Sep, 2018 at 1:22pm:
Great! I also have 8 referrals. So I've been getting them all along. 8-)


I have 7 total but they stopped for a time. I also notice he pays quicker now. The last one was within hours. I don't know if that was just lucky timing

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 4th Sep, 2018 at 1:44pm
They've always paid quickly from my end.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 25th Sep, 2018 at 5:29pm
I see that they now have a validating, "$X.XXXXXX USD credited for publisher #" message in their top bar. Good to see them being proactive. 8-) 

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 28th Sep, 2018 at 12:02am
more good news



original image location

https://prnt.sc/kzk2hi

Those 10 referrals gained since my last report came from the paidverts cheap ads which were paid for out of PV earnings. So those referrals are essentially free. And you can see the cheap ads are quite effective

:)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 28th Sep, 2018 at 2:55pm

moneymarketing wrote on 28th Sep, 2018 at 12:02am:
more good news



original image location

https://prnt.sc/kzk2hi

Those 10 referrals gained since my last report came from the paidverts cheap ads which were paid for out of PV earnings. So those referrals are essentially free. And you can see the cheap ads are quite effective

:)

Whoa! :o

Good for you. Keep up the good work! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 1st Nov, 2018 at 4:25pm
So, I've decided to post here my traffic results for campaigns I'm running for R4A on other sites just to have them all in one place.

It seems the country trick does a good job on some sites while it doesn't on others. So far:

My YGP greek-only Mini ad campaign goes great so far.. 21 internal clicks / 762 external clicks and it's somewhere in the pile of Mini paid to click ads.. I think it would do much better if it was a standard ad, so maybe I'll give them a try soon. I only assigned 100 clicks so I'll give it some time to expire.

My FamilyBTC greek-only Mini ad campaign has received zero external clicks after 101 internal clicks (3-4 per day), but I think it's due to the fact that it's burried close to the bottom, so I'm adjusting my strategy there. I added a Standard Ad this time for better exposure to non logged in visitors, and still have the greek filter on for internals. Let's see if it will attract any attention now.

I've just initiated a greek-only regular exposure ad on Twickerz, since they only allow demograhic filters on these ones. But it will be good if it also boosts exposure to non logged in visitors so we'll see how that one goes. I'll keep you up to date once i have some results.

My Paidverts single adgrid fixed campaign receives an average of 272 valid clicks daily based on my previous week's stats (1,906 valid / 75 invalid). I run my bulk ads with Rui's link, so they don't get mixed with these.

I'm thinking of expanding this list to include ScarletClicks and GPTPlanet as I have some funds accumulated there by old direct referrals. One step at a time.. :)

Also I use this gif on my new campaigns, in case you would like sth like that:



I created it with giphy and set it to switch colors once every 1.4 seconds to prevent people from getting OCD triggered. I think it's not offensive or anything, and it advertises R4A's main quality. What do you think? :)

[edit]Edit: I created it with two 100x100 images.. but somehow giphy enlarged it..  :-/
Anyways.. PTC sites normally scale it to 100x100, so it should get displayed on its original size.[/edit]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 1st Nov, 2018 at 5:51pm

SolidSnake wrote on 1st Nov, 2018 at 4:25pm:
So, I've decided to post here my traffic results for campaigns I'm running for R4A on other sites just to have them all in one place.

It seems the country trick does a good job on some sites while it doesn't on others. So far:

My YGP greek-only Mini ad campaign goes great so far.. 21 internal clicks / 762 external clicks and it's somewhere in the pile of Mini paid to click ads.. I think it would do much better if it was a standard ad, so maybe I'll give them a try soon. I only assigned 100 clicks so I'll give it some time to expire.

My FamilyBTC greek-only Mini ad campaign has received zero external clicks after 101 internal clicks (3-4 per day), but I think it's due to the fact that it's burried close to the bottom, so I'm adjusting my strategy there. I added a Standard Ad this time for better exposure to non logged in visitors, and still have the greek filter on for internals. Let's see if it will attract any attention now.

I've just initiated a greek-only regular exposure ad on Twickerz, since they only allow demograhic filters on these ones. But it will be good if it also boosts exposure to non logged in visitors so we'll see how that one goes. I'll keep you up to date once i have some results.

My Paidverts single adgrid fixed campaign receives an average of 272 valid clicks daily based on my previous week's stats (1,906 valid / 75 invalid). I run my bulk ads with Rui's link, so they don't get mixed with these.

I'm thinking of expanding this list to include ScarletClicks and GPTPlanet as I have some funds accumulated there by old direct referrals. One step at a time.. :)

Also I use this gif on my new campaigns, in case you would like sth like that:



I created it with giphy and set it to switch colors once every 1.4 seconds to prevent people from getting OCD triggered. I think it's not offensive or anything, and it advertises R4A's main quality. What do you think? :)

[edit]Edit: I created it with two 100x100 images.. but somehow giphy enlarged it..  :-/
Anyways.. PTC sites normally scale it to 100x100, so it should get displayed on its original size.[/edit]


It does job one for sure and that is get attention 8-)

I'm not sure if the message is too narrow a focus or not. You'll need to test market it. One thing it should do is attract those with larger credit flows which are the more important people anyway

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 4th Nov, 2018 at 4:05pm
I see they finally changed the auto logout function. Having to log in every thirty minutes or whatever was becoming very tedious. That will probably save them a lot of server resources also

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 19th Nov, 2018 at 4:53pm
So, here's an update on my campaigns:

My YGP greek-only campaign ended with 100 internal / 3472 external clicks and it was only a micro ad.

I'm now taking it to the next level and see if there will be a bonus.. I'm advertising my R4A link using one of the smallest population countries in the world but this time as the most expensive type of ad. 50 credits / click..
But my ad is now bumped at the top of the "view ads" listing, so let's see how many external clicks it will draw. :)

On the other hand my FamilyBTC greek-only campaign does not go that well so far... 57 internal / 0 external clicks.
This leads me to some conclusions regarding the program.. since eternal clicks are mainly done by visitors and not actual members it most likely shows us that there are not many people promoting it right now, which also shows that not many people actually believe it's worth it.

My Twickerz campaign unfortunately ended and was automatically removed so I can't see its stats now..  >:(
Pff.. that sucks, but as far as I can remember it, there were also very few external hits to my link.
So, I'm now running the same test as YGP, with a tiny population country, and will post back my results soon..

My single Paidverts adgrid fixed ad dropped to an average of 209 valid clicks daily (1464 valid / 25 invalid) during the past week.

I'll update you when I have fresh data. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 19th Nov, 2018 at 9:59pm

SolidSnake wrote on 19th Nov, 2018 at 4:53pm:
So, here's an update on my campaigns:

My YGP greek-only campaign ended with 100 internal / 3472 external clicks and it was only a micro ad.

That's impressive! Thanks for sharing it in here.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 27th Nov, 2018 at 12:24am
So, this has been bugging me for a while now, so I've finally found some time to deal with it..

I've decided to split my payment proof thread to 3 separate threads, one for each one of us.

It got really hard to keep track of where each ones payments proofs were so I created a diagram based on how the discussion was flowing and it seemed possible.

Now, I've finally got down to it and performed the above process splitting the threads to the following:

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs - By SolidSnake

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs - By Dansbanners

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs and Stats - By MoneyMarketing

It seems the discussion is still consistent and intact (all quoting is correct).
So, now we can keep our proofs going while keeping a better track, picking up where we had left it.

Also more payment proofs by different members are more appealing to visitors.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 28th Nov, 2018 at 6:45pm
I'm so tempted to go big time with this but having been burned so many times in the past I just don't want to risk it. Thus I'm stuck with growing based on web earnings

It sure is looking promising though

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 29th Nov, 2018 at 2:03am

moneymarketing wrote on 28th Nov, 2018 at 6:45pm:
I'm so tempted to go big time with this but having been burned so many times in the past I just don't want to risk it. Thus I'm stuck with growing based on web earnings

It sure is looking promising though

Better safe than sorry! Besides I think you can still achieve a lot with just your web earnings. ;)

I'm also running on web earnings for almost 2 years now, and I've also pulled out some nice amounts of cash.

If FBTC didn't drown I would have probably been making more than a greek salary.. but well.. we work with what we have.

Nonetheless, I'm still on the positive and profitable side, so we keep going. We've been through worse. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 11th Dec, 2018 at 11:14am
It seems I've got a super surfer referral this time.. I just hope he doesn't cheat or sth.

He has been steadily viewing 1250 sites daily for more than 2 weeks now so he is steadily earning $0.25 daily while making me $0.05 daily.

That's awesome, if only I could get a few more of this type.. :)

And I don't have a way of contacting him in order to get him something back.. pff..

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 11th Dec, 2018 at 3:59pm

SolidSnake wrote on 11th Dec, 2018 at 11:14am:
It seems I've got a super surfer referral this time.. I just hope he doesn't cheat or sth.

He has been steadily viewing 1250 sites daily for more than 2 weeks now so he is steadily earning $0.25 daily while making me $0.05 daily.

8-)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 11th Dec, 2018 at 8:03pm
For some reason, I had no desire to run my usual ad this week. Thus it was no surprise that as I went to buy someone has sniffed out my ad spot and was sitting in it (my instincts are getting better).

Isn't it funny how they always manage to take the exact day that I would take (usually after I have set my ad) and thus wreck the referring for both of us? These guys are so stupid that if I had bought the advertising last night they would be sitting there today also and, instead of taking one of the other 7 days in the week and thus both of us could get many more referrals, they advertise the same day as I do and we both get half the referrals

Why are affiliates such stupid advertisers? Their selfishness and shortsightedness wrecks it for everyone

Glad I saved my money last night.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 13th Dec, 2018 at 10:14pm

moneymarketing wrote on 11th Dec, 2018 at 8:03pm:
For some reason, I had no desire to run my usual ad this week. Thus it was no surprise that as I went to buy someone has sniffed out my ad spot and was sitting in it (my instincts are getting better).

Isn't it funny how they always manage to take the exact day that I would take (usually after I have set my ad) and thus wreck the referring for both of us? These guys are so stupid that if I had bought the advertising last night they would be sitting there today also and, instead of taking one of the other 7 days in the week and thus both of us could get many more referrals, they advertise the same day as I do and we both get half the referrals

Why are affiliates such stupid advertisers? Their selfishness and shortsightedness wrecks it for everyone

Glad I saved my money last night.


All worked out well. I sent my ad last night and he didn't affect my referrals much. More traffic to r4a should be beneficial. Doing the math, with my earnings from CS and r4a more than my r4a advertising costs, I'm turning a profit, so all the referrals I get are effectively free.

Next step is to make r4a self-sustaining. That could be a ways off. Only about halfway there at this point  :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 17th Dec, 2018 at 1:04am
Ouch...

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=23

Thankfully these guys still handled it professionally without any lame excuses.

The fact that they were even prepared for this and held most of their funds in a safer-than-paypal place, makes me want to thumbs-up them a bit more.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 17th Dec, 2018 at 3:46am
[smiley=sad.gif]

But at least they're handling it in a professional manner.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 17th Dec, 2018 at 6:45am

SolidSnake wrote on 17th Dec, 2018 at 1:04am:
Ouch...

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=23

Thankfully these guys still handled it professionally without any lame excuses.

The fact that they were even prepared for this and held most of their funds in a safer-than-paypal place, makes me want to thumbs-up them a bit more.


I guess I shouldn't have opened my big mouth and said I was making a profit.

This is all forming a bit of a dilemma for me. Even though I am netting out cash from the CS r4a combo, CS will not last forever. My referral income from r4a was growing but it has since stalled. This is not good because I need that to replace my CS income.

So I am in a dilemma. Do I go for the profits now and hope the r4a income resumes or do I start using my CS income to promote something else that will grow my cash flow?

Short term versus long term gains.  :-/

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 17th Dec, 2018 at 6:47am

moneymarketing wrote on 17th Dec, 2018 at 6:45am:
I guess I shouldn't have opened my big mouth and said I was making a profit.

This is all forming a bit of a dilemma for me. Even though I am netting out cash from the CS r4a combo, CS will not last forever. My referral income from r4a was growing but it has since stalled. This is not good because I need that to replace my CS income.

So I am in a dilemma. Do I go for the profits now and hope the r4a income resumes or do I start using my CS income to promote something else that will grow my cash flow?

Short term versus long term gains.  :-/


and, of course, not going big with offline money was again the smart move. At least the online income wolrd's ability to disappoint is something to rely upon. You could set your clock by it.  [smiley=lolx.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by rotate4all.com on 20th Feb, 2019 at 8:38pm
Hey guys,

Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program.

First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions.

Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd!

Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program?
While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program).

So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything.
Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously.

[smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 20th Feb, 2019 at 8:58pm

rotate4all.com wrote on 20th Feb, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Hey guys,

Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program.

First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions.

Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd!

Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program?
While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program).

So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything.
Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously.

[smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Hi Ivan,

First, welcome to the Forum. Hope you make a good use of it or find it helpful! :)

Personally, I've not made any changes in promoting Rotate4All. The only thing is that it may not be getting as much hits as it used to either cause the credits aren't being used up as quickly or I don't have as much credits as I used to in a couple of traffic program I promote R4A in.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 20th Feb, 2019 at 9:02pm

rotate4all.com wrote on 20th Feb, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Hey guys,

Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program.

First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions.

Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd!

Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program?
While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program).

So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything.
Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously.

[smiley=z02-thanks.gif]



Welcome Ivan!

Good to see we have some big time secret watchers out there. For me, it is just about economics. I need to turn a profit.

Take my last campaign for example. I placed an ad at Neobux for $70. That netted me out $25 in earnings at R4A. If I win the contest this week, then that will bump me to $35
but that is still a 50% loss.

I did gain 24 referrals but the referral earnings are not enough to make up the difference. And it is not like I went somewhere else, it seems all the affiliate sites just don't give a good ROI unless the traffic is free like it is at some of my sites

I think it is great you are paying by skrill. I can use that to combine earnings at other sites and maybe put some campaigns on.

Things are pretty tough for affiliate referring these days  :-/


Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by rotate4all.com on 20th Feb, 2019 at 9:11pm
I see. Thanks a lot for the feedback!

I've also seen a decrease in activity in the related sites (PTC/TE). Meaning less & less "worthy" PTC or TE sites are popping up, while the users' trust factor is at a minimum, bringing down the activity levels overall.
Though I've seen a tendency of activity increase in crypto-related sites such as faucets/games/gambling themed :censored.
Perhaps I should also look into that? Or, better yet, I think we should come up with something new.
Been thinking about what to introduce to really grab people's attention from quite a while. The trend currently is in crypto but you'll never know for sure.
What I would definitely not do is fill our site with annoying banners left & right as seen everywhere else.
User experience is very important to us and that's not something I would tinker with a lot.

The referral program, regardless of the 20%, may be somewhat disappointing to some and I would like to improve that as well. Though adding referral commissions from our advertisement purchases is a no-go because then I would have to increase the advertiser prices, which again is a no-go.

Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks again!

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by moneymarketing on 20th Feb, 2019 at 9:22pm
Since paypal is no longer a factor, how about letting the referral payments go a little deeper. They are really the only ones that block MLM. What about maybe 12 percent on the first level and then 2% through the next four or some formula like that. It wouldn't cost you anything more but it would broaden the earnings and add to the residual benefits. I think many big promoters would go for that because they can build a team deep

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 20th Feb, 2019 at 10:27pm
Hello there Ivan Levente and welcome to our forum!
I'm also a big fan of R4A and focus a lot of my efforts there.

Regarding PayPal and PTC/PTP sites,  most of us have moved on long ago.. it's no longer a mainstream player in this industry.
It's almost a negative factor due to the instability they've caused and keep causing to such sites.
I prefer to use bitcoin, due to the freedom of its nature, others have already set up alternatives.

As for the traffic decrease it's mostly the sites, we advertise on that reduced the delivery speed.
We'll keep trying to get the best out of them though.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Btw, I've just read the latest update regarding Brave browser..
A concern I have about it is how safe it is when using it with shields down, since that's a requirement.

I'm quite sure your site is safe but we can't really know for sure when it comes to the advertisers.
Loading sites through frames, can make our browsers more vulnerable than regular ones.

Since it's already decided though, please just make sure to run security tests thoroughly when an advertiser places an order.
If an infected site gets through, it could harm R4A's reputation which would be bad for all of us.

I'm sure you'll do your best though, so keep up the good work.

We hope to see you hanging around here from time to time. :)
And we are always open to new opportunities, ideas and partnerships.

[smiley=00-welcome.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by rotate4all.com on 20th Feb, 2019 at 10:45pm
The multi-level referral commissions is a good suggestion. Though I would have to run it through Skrill compliance dept. first, then run a simulation on our current user-base. Noted, and will follow-up this soon.

Regarding Brave browser, it's "Shield" feature is not an anti-virus or anything like that. It's simply a privacy protection tool which blocks certain ad types, trackers, cookies, referring urls and such. We require this feature to be disabled only for our site in order to be able to track user activity in the Surf module and to differentiate users who block ads on purpose from those who don't as such activities are against our terms.
Disabling this feature would in no way put you in any (or more) danger than when using any other browser, especially if you're already using a 3rd party anti-virus software which you should already be using anyways as the first line of defense. Also you should be able to use almost all extensions that are available to Chrome as most of them are also supported by Brave browser as well.

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 22nd Feb, 2019 at 2:13am
Another interesting option I would love to have on R4A is to be able to view my referral's link.

A bunch of times when I got a really active referral and wanted to boost him up a little to keep him excited about his earnings there was no direct way to do it.

And since there is no way to contact him directly through the site, we can't help him at all, and he may get discouraged by his own only earnings.

I would love to be able to also build a downline for my referral since I get a commission of his earnings and also motivate him to work more seriously on the project.

I believe team work is much more profitable than going solo.. :)

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by rotate4all.com on 22nd Feb, 2019 at 3:50pm
That's a good one too that can totally be implemented. However with the only tweak that you could "tip" your referral by choosing predefined values say from a drop-down list, along with some generic messages, again in the same manner by choosing from a drop-down list, due to security reasons and in order to prevent SPAM messages such as "click or die".
Noted. Thanks!

Also, Skrill is finally available: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news

[smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 22nd May, 2019 at 2:20pm

Quote:
Unfortunately we had to increase the minimum withdraw amount only for Bitcoin payments from $5 to $10 due to the high network transaction fees.

[smiley=sad.gif]

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by SolidSnake on 22nd May, 2019 at 7:04pm
Yeah, but there is actually a valid reason why they did that..


Quote:
We noticed that for a $5 payment, we had to pay $1.58-$1.60. That's 32% deducted from the payable amount, meaning you'd get that amount less credited to your Bitcoin wallet. ... So by increasing the minimum rate to $10 (for now), the same fee represents only 16% from the payable amount, which is let's say "acceptable" though still high compared to any other payment processor.


However on the rest of the processors the minimum is still $5.

IMHO I think it's better if we let it accumulate more than $20 or even more before we cashout.. That way the fee is kept to a minimum

Title: Re: Rotate4All
Post by dansbanners on 22nd May, 2019 at 10:28pm
Alright, hope for the best.

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