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Life After PTCBox...
11th Jan, 2013 at 10:08am
 
So, let's start building on the ashes of PTCBox.. it was real and it was great.. and it was really great.. but we somehow have to live without it now so... now that PTCBox is gone, what PT programs do you use for your online income?

Personally I've been sticking to CashClixs by StillSleeping, Clixsense, CashInOnBanners and I'm already creating an online multiplayer game that I'm gonna promote using affiliate marketing methods. Eventually it should all work.. Smiley

Also a lot of work has been put in this forum too..  Tongue
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Reply #1 - 12th Jan, 2013 at 10:47pm
 
I'm not doing much these days  got really fed up after ptcbox then MBC screwed me big time  lost a lot there! B4B also lost PP but they are trying to recover *hoping for best  expecting worst*  lost $100.00 there only program I'm really active in now is clixsense.  I've lost faith in ptc at the moment
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Reply #2 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 12:43am
 
When PTCBox died I finally took the plunge into Neobux. That was a big mistake. I was drawn into their rented referral program and golden upgrades.

Since then I have been breaking even in it trying to push my RR's further down the time track. Fortunately I was able to recruit a hundred plus direct referrals so they are helping me to keep my RRs but I am definitely not pleased with the program.

Their advertising is OK but since the demise of PTCBox it seems everyone wants to use NB for their advertising so they are becoming quite saturated. Another frustrating thing is that they limit the amount of direct referrals you can have. This has got to be the most counter intuitive thing I have ever seen. I could probably deliver 50 referrals per month to their site but I can't because they limit me unless I spend hundreds of dollars in upgrades  Huh

We definitely need some more programs to open up that we can promote. CS and NB are pretty much the big two and it is hard to go with anything else at this point

I did take a look at BuxP but it has a porn element to it so there is no promoting it at Clixsense. It does look like a decent advertising venue though since they have a huge member base

The other site I have been exploring is Hits4pay. They deliver a decent amount of clicks per day and all of them so far have been 2 cent offers. I haven't tried to promote them yet, that is the next project
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Reply #3 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 2:03am
 
For a site like neobux and the money they take in, direct referral limits for members is kindy redicules. But when you have a new site like I have, that will be low on advertiser for the first couple years, a few huge advertiser can make a site go bankrupt quick.
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Reply #4 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 2:20am
 
Still_Sleeping wrote on 13th Jan, 2013 at 2:03am:
For a site like neobux and the money they take in, direct referral limits for members is kindy redicules. But when you have a new site like I have, that will be low on advertiser for the first couple years, a few huge advertiser can make a site go bankrupt quick.


you don't lose money on the advertising do you?  Huh
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Reply #5 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 3:00am
 
It is possible with elite ads.. etc.

2500 elite 30 second ads that cost $30 on CashClixs would equal to $0.012 cost per click.
Now elite members get $0.03 for clicking those links so in the long run it is possible..
However.. I think it's way to expensive for me to pay that much for that package.. Smiley
..and also elite members have to pay $270 per year at the cheapest case..

By the way maybe the elite ads should be 60 seconds to be worth such a cost..
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Reply #6 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 3:23am
 
Yes it is kindy high, but it is set to be sustainable (on the low safe side) for the long run. I also kindy planed on most elite ads being sponsored by me once we get more advertisers (4-5 mabye).  If i can afford to lower the price later on, I will. The prices are set for the site too last, not disappear after to many member's upgrade and there downline's gets too huge, which results in more money going out then there taking in. Also, I do plan on extending the timers, it will come at the same time the cheat link gets introduce. 

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Yes, with sponsored ads, I'm losing every penny!
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Reply #7 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 4:26am
 
Still_Sleeping wrote on 13th Jan, 2013 at 3:23am:
Yes it is kindy high, but it is set to be sustainable (on the low safe side) for the long run. I also kindy planed on most elite ads being sponsored by me once we get more advertisers (4-5 mabye).  If i can afford to lower the price later on, I will. The prices are set for the site too last, not disappear after to many member's upgrade and there downline's gets too huge, which results in more money going out then there taking in. Also, I do plan on extending the timers, it will come at the same time the cheat link gets introduce. 

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Yes, with sponsored ads, I'm losing every penny!



Hmmm, that is interesting. I guess you make it up on site banner ads etc. or will when the traffic gets high enough

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Reply #8 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 4:50pm
 
Yes, what profit i lose on ptc clicks due to referrals and upgraded clicks, I make up on the non-paying banner ads.. etc. The traffic and the member base has to get high enough before we even start receving advertiser (which comes with time and steady payments). I started the site Knowing that I would be losing money the whole first year. If I stay in profit thats great, but i'm prepared for the many months of pretty much all sponsored ads with no advertisers. Right now I'm in profit, if i don't count my buxhost subscription cost. (which will be extended to 5 years next week.)

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What kind of online multiplayer game are you creating?
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Reply #9 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
Still_Sleeping wrote on 13th Jan, 2013 at 4:50pm:
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What kind of online multiplayer game are you creating?


Well, nothing incredible, but simple and cool.
Something like a card game based on a very generic "Hacking Simulation" idea..

Each player has 5 offensive and 5 defensive programs (cards with specific level and attibutes)..

The player logs in the system and retrieves a list of all online and offline other players. Then he can pick one to attack, using his offensive against the enemy player's defensive programs. When someone attacks an offline player he will be facing a handicap to make things fair. So it will be tougher to win when the enemy is offline. Now, if all 5 defensive programs are successfully bypassed the attacker wins and gets experience points and rewards including the ability to upgrade his cards with higher leveled ones.

On the business side of it, I'll include some advertising through the game screens, and I'm also thinking of using affiliate marketing to promote it. However the actual game will be kept free and even though there will be a business opportunity included, it will be optional so that players choose to stay even if they only like to play the game.

That's most of it.. but I currently skipped coding it a little bit as I'm giving some exams these days and I'm pretty busy with that for now.. As soon as exams are over, I'll get back to coding..

However in the meantime I'm in need of a game database server..
I currently host and test it on db4free.net but that's not to be trusted so I'll need to purchase one.
I would have hosted it to my domain here, but it doesn't give database access regardless of IP..

The game is developed on C# so it's not web based which would have been easier to use but harder to code.. Smiley
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Reply #10 - 13th Jan, 2013 at 5:46pm
 
Sounds fun, I admire your enthusiasm .. Let us know when your finished.
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Reply #11 - 14th Jan, 2013 at 1:03am
 
Still_Sleeping wrote on 13th Jan, 2013 at 4:50pm:
Yes, what profit i lose on ptc clicks due to referrals and upgraded clicks, I make up on the non-paying banner ads.. etc. The traffic and the member base has to get high enough before we even start receving advertiser (which comes with time and steady payments). I started the site Knowing that I would be losing money the whole first year. If I stay in profit thats great, but i'm prepared for the many months of pretty much all sponsored ads with no advertisers. Right now I'm in profit, if i don't count my buxhost subscription cost. (which will be extended to 5 years next week.)



I have a question for you. I assume you run ads for your site at other sites and you have also ran ads for other sites when you were an affiliate. Do you find you get better results with the ads run for your site than you do as an affiliate?

The reason I have this question is because I have been of the belief that many sites will skim off referrals from us in order to keep for themselves or sell or rent to others (yes, unfortunately, I am very paranoid but I have been in the industry many years and I have seen many strange patterns in referral sign ups over the years  Shocked). Have you noticed any difference in the numbers or referrals you get from others as opposed to yourself? This question is probably the number one reason why I am interested in starting a site of my own even though I do not have a lot of technical skill
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Reply #12 - 14th Jan, 2013 at 1:10am
 
Yes SS, that game does sound intriguing and also unique. It is a little bit like the game Risk except for hacking and cards. Maybe you could also add 'institutions' to the hacking target that could be a play against the computer. This would require many more assets and maybe groups as the computer would have lots of power but also many prizes.

Another idea would be the opportunity to hack certain regions in the game (fortresses or card tables) which would allow the players to change the parameters of the area they conquered
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Reply #13 - 14th Jan, 2013 at 3:32am
 
Its hard to say with my site being new, all other site's that i have advertised had large member bases by the time i would join. I've ran only 2 neobux ads for my site, 24 dollar's each (total $48), that gave me about 160 some referrals. When i would run the same price banners for ptcbox, I would get about 80 referrals total.

With a custom script, its possible for the a admin to scam in many ways. If there using a standard buxhost script (like mine), the only way for a admin to scam referrals from you is to set mask direct referrals usernames to active and switch them with inactive members in hopes that the user wouldn't remember a number impose to a actual name. But its also possible to just remove them before you log on. The standard buxhost script has no option to turn off referring.

My site only has one reason that it won't allow a member to join a upline: Thats when a known proxy server is detected, and the user is forced to join without a upline regardless of the referral link clicked on. (protection from cheaters)

I've have always wonder the same thing.. I can diffidently tell you there is still those time zone's where all sign-ups just seem to stop.   
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Reply #14 - 14th Jan, 2013 at 7:36am
 
I remember one time I ran a campaign. I had about 5 referrals within the first couple hours. Then it stopped for about 12 hours, Then I started receiving a referral every two hours or so(which is what I normally get for most of my campaigns on the bigger sites). I have seen some strange referring patterns when the owner has a potential benefit in the referrals. On sites where the referrals are free sign ups and it doesn't mean anything to the owner one way or the other(like a traffic exchange), the patterns are usually completely different and much more steady in the sign up rate

that is actually one way I test the integrity of a site is how well it refers and what the consistency is.

PTCBox was pretty consistent when it came to referrals rates. I'll give them that much

Edit: BTW, the worst sites are the ones where the owner checks the referrals and places them under your downline personally(usually sites with a paid membership only). I've gone from a referral rate of about 1 in 1000 to 1 in 50,000 when my paid upgrades started to roll in. Very frustrating
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